Space vs. Time Force, Which Season is Better? [Archive]

ThisSpaceForRent

08-10-2008, 09:48 PM

Lance9384

08-10-2008, 09:49 PM

Astronema was hot, epic conflict between all the villains, epic conflict between the rangers and the villains, it was nice to connect with the rangers through only one season, the zords were awesome, Ashley was ridiculously hot

The only bad thing I'd have to say about Space is Zhane. :X

Andros 1337

08-10-2008, 09:53 PM

I would say Space, although Time Force was also good.

Scaletex

08-10-2008, 10:07 PM

I vote Space. Awful as the team-up with the Turtles was, I still preferred it. I'm biased though, as I had a thing for Patricia Ja Lee. Nevertheless, Time Force was fairly well done, with characters that seemed genuinely into it.

Lightspeed had a better theme song than most of the others, but the suits were pathetic and the actors seemed like they were just going through the motions.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 01:19 AM

Well, his Red-To-Blue transition annoyed me, but I can't really say much as I adore the character. It was just part of his evolution, I suppose. And I blame the 'so-so fighter' on the source footage.

And even though the Battlizer WAS hilariously absurd, everything else about PRiS was exceptional. I have yet to see a season top it.

I can't think about Time Force without remembering the horrible, wooden acting (even noticable for a PR series), the stupid "Daddy Issues" Wes had, and how annoyed I was with Jen. It's overrated, in my opinion, but that's just me. I only liked "Movie Madness" and "The End of Time". And the latter was mostly because it was the season finale. n.n

Stupid daddy issues? I thought the theme of Wes throwing away a comfortable life for the sake of living his own life was one of the best plotlines in PR. TF made thier own money and adjusted to life in the past while being rangers. "we all make our destiny" was a key saying. I can related with wanting my own identity being the youngest child so I can relatedThere was nothing wooden about the way Wes cried when he thought his dad died, Jen when Alex died or the "the End of Time pts 1-3". Every PR has okay acting, but I didn't the wood in this series, my opinion

Skeleman

08-11-2008, 01:40 AM

Space. Mainly because of the endings. Space's ending was epic while Time Force's left me very disappointed.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 01:45 AM

Stupid daddy issues? I thought the theme of Wes throwing away a comfortable life for the sake of living his own life was one of the best plotlines in PR. TF made thier own money and adjusted to life in the past while being rangers. "we all make our destiny" was a key saying. I can related with wanting my own identity being the youngest child so I can relatedThere was nothing wooden about the way Wes cried when he thought his dad died, Jen when Alex died or the "the End of Time pts 1-3". Every PR has okay acting, but I didn't the wood in this series, my opinion

And I respect your opinions, man, really I do, but for me, Time Force was just so dry and boring. I felt it tried too hard to be this emotional tale when really it wasn't much more than a Sentai copy'n'paste, which loses it a lot of credit from me.

Jen and Alex were annoying. The actor who portrayed Alex and Wes didn't impress me. Like, ever. Alex was hilariously 'SRS BNS' and Wes was a bit too "OMG, I can haz morpher?!" for my liking. I didn't connect with his story at all. It started off promising, but it just fell through for me. I didn't like it. His 'Daddy Issues' were one of the things I hated most about the character, because I don't think they were handled right.

And, yeah, the TF rangers worked to make money...but every one of their jobs was dumber than the last, in my opinion. And it was obvious that that money wasn't being used well...since none of them ever changed clothes.

That aside, I just didn't like Wes. Or Jen.

Speaking of Jen...I feel she's overrated. To me, she was too bossy, too icy, and-- yeah-- wooden. The portrayals of emotion in TF are all so cheesily melodramatic to me. And I love melodrama, but not like that. The story was interesting, but the execution was meh.

On the contrary, I loved everything about PRiS, INCLUDING the Turtle team-up. But, again, that is my taste and my opinion.

Hear All

08-11-2008, 01:53 AM

In Space is killing the votes right now:D

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 02:07 AM

And I respect your opinions, man, really I do, but for me, Time Force was just so dry and boring. I felt it tried too hard to be this emotional tale when really it wasn't much more than a Sentai copy'n'paste, which loses it a lot of credit from me.

Jen and Alex were annoying. The actor who portrayed Alex and Wes didn't impress me. Like, ever. Alex was hilariously 'SRS BNS' and Wes was a bit too "OMG, I can haz morpher?!" for my liking. I didn't connect with his story at all. It started off promising, but it just fell through for me. I didn't like it. His 'Daddy Issues' were one of the things I hated most about the character, because I don't think they were handled right.

And, yeah, the TF rangers worked to make money...but every one of their jobs was dumber than the last, in my opinion. And it was obvious that that money wasn't being used well...since none of them ever changed clothes.

That aside, I just didn't like Wes. Or Jen.

Speaking of Jen...I feel she's overrated. To me, she was too bossy, too icy, and-- yeah-- wooden. The portrayals of emotion in TF are all so cheesily melodramatic to me. And I love melodrama, but not like that. The story was interesting, but the execution was meh.

On the contrary, I loved everything about PRiS, INCLUDING the Turtle team-up. But, again, that is my taste and my opinion.

So you honestly can say that the turtles crossover wasn't super-cheese? I like in PRiS, but more for moments and eps, not a complete season. I didn't like that ZHane was a master of disquise out of nowhere

What I liked:

Zordon destroyed- very shocking at the time
The finale was good
The psycho rangers
Adam appeared
lot's of backstabbing villians

all in all, still couldn't watch the whole season like TF, call me crazy but it was the one that renewed my interest in PR

Zedd's the man

08-11-2008, 02:10 AM

Space was the best, though for me Time Force might be second. Ransik though was much cooler than any Space villain except the Psycho Rangers.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 02:13 AM

So you honestly can say that the turtles crossover wasn't super-cheese? I like in PRiS, but more for moments and eps, not a complete season. I didn't like that ZHane was a master of disquise out of nowhere

What I liked:

Zordon destroyed- very shocking at the time
The finale was good
The psycho rangers
Adam appeared
lot's of backstabbing villians

all in all, still couldn't watch the whole season like TF, call me crazy but it was the one that renewed my interest in PR

No, it was pure, unadulterated cheese. That's why I loved it. It wasn't meant to be more than it was: a fun, silly episode out of nowhere.

I don't need "serious" stuff all the time. In fact, I get bored if I'm bombarded with it. That's how I felt TF was; I thought it tried too hard to be all 'dark' and 'serious'. Well, it really, really wasn't. Not to me, at least.

There are very few things I liked about TF. I could watch small doses of it at a time.

-- I enjoyed "Movie Madness". It was an inventive episode and was pretty fun.

-- Circuit. Adorable robotic owl mentor thingie? Love.

-- Katie. Adorable, super-strong girl with a heart of gold? Love.

And, yeah, that's about it. Everything else either bored me to tears or annoyed me to nausea.

Meanwhile, I could watch the entire iS series without skipping a beat. So many quality episodes. Zhane did feel like he almost came out of nowhere, but to know that he had been in cryogenic stasis on board the Astro Megaship the entire season was cool, no pun intended. And his playful attitude was a nice addition to the team, in my opinion. iS just felt more...Ranger-y to me. TF was just...like a bad soap opera with sporadic giant robot battles.

Da Prince

08-11-2008, 02:15 AM

I also agree with the person that says TF gets to much praise, i think it was sh*t, IS in my opinion was the greatest season of Power Rangers ever, yes even better than MM, IS has a great storyline, great villains, great megazords, great beggining and a great ending, all in all IS kills TF, no contest.

Rebelde

08-11-2008, 02:16 AM

Wes was a bit too "OMG, I can haz morpher?!"

haha I lol'd xD xD

Anyways, would PRIS be so popular if Zordon wasn't in it and the ending didn't happen? Just a question :3

And to tha person above...I think PRIS gets to much praise :3

Zedd's the man

08-11-2008, 02:18 AM

Oh one thing to say for TF is that Eric is a far more interesting sixth ranger than Zhane.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 02:20 AM

thanks for the french there , Prince...

I actually compliment iS and still get flamed. I;m going to the SS side where it's not alot of fire

Primal Slayer

08-11-2008, 02:49 AM

haha I lol'd xD xD

Anyways, would PRIS be so popular if Zordon wasn't in it and the ending didn't happen? Just a question :3

And to tha person above...I think PRIS gets to much praise :3

Would PTF be popular if they removed certain elemants of it?

It is what it is. Its popular and for good reason.

Ofcourse it would lose some points since Zordon made for majority of the storyline and it would be a totally different season if Zordon wasnt part of it.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 02:57 AM

haha I lol'd xD xD

I try. n.n

Anyways, would PRIS be so popular if Zordon wasn't in it and the ending didn't happen? Just a question :3

I doubt it. It'd still be my personal favorite, but a lot of other people would jump ship, and the ship they'd probably jump to would most likely be TF.

Because apparently I am a unique and special snowflake, if I had to defect, it would most likely be to Dino Thunder. Yeah. I said it.

And to tha person above...I think PRIS gets to much praise :3

Surprisingly, I agree. Then again, I think TF gets WAY too much praise, but that's just me.

I'm all about the underdog, so if there're any seasons not getting the love they deserve, it's Turbo and LSR. In my opinon anyway.

I also agree with the person that says TF gets to much praise, i think it was sh*t, IS in my opinion was the greatest season of Power Rangers ever, yes even better than MM, IS has a great storyline, great villains, great megazords, great beggining and a great ending, all in all IS kills TF, no contest.

I will agree that PRiS is the best season so far. Of course, that's just an opinion.

I don't think TF was sh*t, per se, but it wasn't the Holy Grail of Rangerdom that a lot of people proclaim it to be. Then again, iS wasn't either. It was just a really solid season that succesfully and masterfully wrapped up an era.

And none of the villains of TF even COMPARE to the iS villains for me. Astronema, the brainwashed, amnesiatic Princess of Evil who's internally struggling with her very nature? Ecliptor, a villain with honor who displays loyalty and even love? Darkonda, a ruthless, heartless, vile incarnation of evil who does whatever it takes to get himself ahead? Amazing.

Sorry, but TF doesn't compare for me. It just doesn't.

Oh one thing to say for TF is that Eric is a far more interesting sixth ranger than Zhane.

That depends on how you enjoy your brand of A-hole.

Do you prefer the arrogant, jerky c*nt Eric or do you like the juvenille, clownish, jackass Zhane?

Personally, I pick the latter (for those of you who are grammatically challenged, that means Zhane).

thanks for the french there , Prince...

I actually compliment iS and still get flamed. I;m going to the SS side where it's not alot of fire

Oh, c'mon now. Sentailand isn't all gumdrops and fairytales either, I'm sure.

Stand your ground, dude. You've got a right to your own opinion. Defend it.

Rebelde

08-11-2008, 02:58 AM

Would PTF be popular if they removed certain elemants of it?

It is what it is. Its popular and for good reason.

I'm saying that it seems like most of the fans like it because of Zordon.. it seems like that to ME though.. I dunno what other fans think and have no rights to say what they should think either

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 03:00 AM

I just hate when something you like get blatantly trashed, but when you do the same, it's blasphemy

Rebelde

08-11-2008, 03:04 AM

I just hate when something you like get blatantly trashed, but when you do the same, it's blasphemy

Welcome to the world of PR fandom....it's just a big war

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 03:05 AM

I see that now

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 03:15 AM

I'm saying that it seems like most of the fans like it because of Zordon.. it seems like that to ME though.. I dunno what other fans think and have no rights to say what they should think either

Well, dude, that's kind of the point. It's not called the "Zordon Era" for nothing.

The story would be COMPLETELY different if not for Zordon's existence, so I'm pretty sure people wouldn't like that season as much if the story were, y'know, not the same story.

The same can be said for Time Force. Even if Time Force came before iS (which, contextually, would make absolutely no sense as the seasons preceeding it have a very definite continous storyline), and the story was altered to fit into the Zordon Era...They'd have to use the stock footage in a completley different way. So people probably wouldn't be so ga-ga over it, either.

Also, y'know, Time Force was only allowed to 'push the envelope' because the franchise, at that point, was floundering. On the cusp of cancellation, if I remember correctly. iS was supposed to be the last season, Time Force only happened because, well, how much worse could it get, right? And then Wild Force happened...That wasn't a good time for PR as a whole.

I just hate when something you like get blatantly trashed, but when you do the same, it's blasphemy

You have to learn to stick to your guns, man. I know what I like, and I will defend my likes and beliefs to the death of me, because that's all you can do.

Everybody smashes Turbo. I love Turbo. I don't cry about it. I tell them what I think and move on. Such is life, yo.

And if they insult YOU and not what you like, you tell them, respectfully as possible, to f*ck off. That's what I do.

Welcome to the world of PR fandom....it's just a big war

Welcome to the wold of fandom, period. ALL fandoms have dissention. It'd be pretty dang boring if they didn't.

I see that now

If you're only noticing that now, you've got a lot of learning to do, bro.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 03:18 AM

I been saw that, but there's no erasing the page that's gonna change that. You called me a japanophile because I liked SS more than I like PR currently, that hurt dude

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 03:26 AM

Do you mean me? I wasn't really adressing you way-back-when. That was towards some other people who had gone way overboard in their love for Sentai.

Again, this is just my opinion, but PR and Sentai are on the exact same level for me. They both have their pros and cons.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 03:33 AM

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 03:42 AM

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 03:55 AM

It's not like I hate Sentai. Quite the contrary: I love and respect it. I just don't think it's better than PR. I can understand liking certain seasons of Sentai, certain aspects of the franchise a bit more than PR...But I don't understand people who think Sentai is like high-art and consider PR low-brow. Almost everything about them is exactly the same...I just happen to prefer PR. I don't consider it better in any regard, I just prefer it. You don't have to belittle something to like something else.

Now if PR took what was good about SS and enhanced it's faults, we'd have a excellent project, but it just adds more explosions instead of substance to me most of the time. DT made a great seasonout of Abaranger and it loosely followed Abaranger, than next season , SPD followed Deka more and it was a great season too, so it's a mix bag. Pick and choose wisely is what they need to do. PR is not low-brow, just riddled with alot of changes I felt weren't needed and not of enough that are needed

Question

08-11-2008, 03:59 AM

I love Turbo.

More people need to say this.

I love Turbo too, mostly after the cast change, but the first half had some great moments too.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 04:09 AM

Now if PR took what was good about SS and enhanced it's faults, we'd have a excellent project, but it just adds more explosions instead of substance to me most of the time. DT made a great seasonout of Abaranger and it loosely followed Abaranger, than next season , SPD followed Deka more and it was a great season too, so it's a mix bag. Pick and choose wisely is what they need to do. PR is not low-brow, just riddled with alot of changes I felt weren't needed and not of enough that are needed

I don't really think PR should take anything directly from Sentai. I think it should take some ideas and mold it into something new. Some of my favorite seasons completely forgo their Sentai counterparts. That's why I love iS. Megaranger and iS are NOTHING a like. And it's brilliant. LSR ADDED a completely original Ranger. iS invented and introduced the Battlizer.

Dino Thunder had next to nothing to do with Abaranger, and I adore that season (it's my second favorite). SPD DID follow Deka a lot closer than other series, but it put a spin on it that was distinctly PR. And besides...Doggie looks a lot better than his counterpart.

Yeah, PR has had some changes...and not all of them have been great. But so has SS. I think PR, right now, is at a good place. Yeah, I'm annoyed by the random explosions and whatnot, but JF has a legitimately GOOD story, as opposed to some seasons preceeding it. OO was a good idea...just horribly executed. MF was a great idea...just mediocre in its execution. Wild Force was a good idea...just terribly put together. SPD, DT, NS, TF (I'll admit it), LSR, LG, iS, Turbo, Zeo, and MMPR were all SOLID seasons. All of them had things that people could enjoy. If they didn't, I certainly wouldn't have sat through all of them.

Sentai is great, but I just prefer PR. Neither is better than the other.

More people need to say this.

I love Turbo too, mostly after the cast change, but the first half had some great moments too.

YES. OMG, I have NEVER met someone who felt this way. That's exactly how I feel.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 04:10 AM

couldn't stand the first half of turbo either

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-11-2008, 04:14 AM

I don't really think PR should take anything directly from Sentai. I think it should take some ideas and mold it into something new. Some of my favorite seasons completely forgo their Sentai counterparts. That's why I love iS. Megaranger and iS are NOTHING a like. And it's brilliant. LSR ADDED a completely original Ranger. iS invented and introduced the Battlizer.

Dino Thunder had next to nothing to do with Abaranger, and I adore that season (it's my second favorite). SPD DID follow Deka a lot closer than other series, but it put a spin on it that was distinctly PR. And besides...Doggie looks a lot better than his counterpart.

Yeah, PR has had some changes...and not all of them have been great. But so has SS. I think PR, right now, is at a good place. Yeah, I'm annoyed by the random explosions and whatnot, but JF has a legitimately GOOD story, as opposed to some seasons preceeding it. OO was a good idea...just horribly executed. MF was a great idea...just mediocre in its execution. Wild Force was a good idea...just terribly put together. SPD, DT, NS, TF (I'll admit it), LSR, LG, iS, Turbo, Zeo, and MMPR were all SOLID seasons. All of them had things that people could enjoy. If they didn't, I certainly wouldn't have sat through all of them.

Sentai is great, but I just prefer PR. Neither is better than the other.

I get that, Geki had everything i wanted from a season, action, story a little comedy, great cast. JF has a good story going and I look forward to seeing how it's pulled off and it better not suck

King

08-11-2008, 04:24 AM

Space: 12 75.00%

Time Force: 4 25.00%

:):cool:

Question

08-11-2008, 04:27 AM

Seriously, I totally thought it'd be the other way around.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 04:32 AM

I didn't. If it had been, I would have been shocked and frightened. PRiS is EPIC. It really, really is.

TF is...like a weird tella novella with morphing sequences and less emblazened Spanish love scenes...

In my opinion, anyway.

Question

08-11-2008, 04:33 AM

TF is pretty awesome once you realize that the TF Rangers are the bad guys.

Still not as awesome as iS, I agree.

King

08-11-2008, 04:34 AM

TF is pretty awesome once you realize that the TF Rangers are the bad guys.

They are ?

Question

08-11-2008, 04:36 AM

They're defending a racist, eugenicist regime ruling over an apocalyptic future.

Some may disagree, but I consider them the villains. I still adore Wes, though.

King

08-11-2008, 04:39 AM

lol damn, and all this time I thought they were catching criminals.

Question

08-11-2008, 04:44 AM

Zedd's the man

08-11-2008, 04:45 AM

And none of the villains of TF even COMPARE to the iS villains for me. Astronema, the brainwashed, amnesiatic Princess of Evil who's internally struggling with her very nature? Ecliptor, a villain with honor who displays loyalty and even love? Darkonda, a ruthless, heartless, vile incarnation of evil who does whatever it takes to get himself ahead? Amazing.
Um what about Ransik? He has a very similar personality to Ecliptor, but he also treats the villains (sometimes) like his family and actually helps them and has comraderee with them instead of just getting pissed like most villains. Also Frax had interesting characterization as well.

That depends on how you enjoy your brand of A-hole.

Do you prefer the arrogant, jerky c*nt Eric or do you like the juvenille, clownish, jackass Zhane?

Personally, I pick the latter (for those of you who are grammatically challenged, that means Zhane)..

This has nothing to do with Eric being an asshole. He is justifiable because you can understand him. He is continually getting turned down for a job that he is clearly the most qualified for because his boss is a nepotist. He worked his way up from nothing unlike Wes who for most of his life had everything handed to him on a silver platter. You can understand why he feels the way he does.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 04:47 AM

They're defending a racist, eugenicist regime ruling over an apocalyptic future.

Truth. I think people don't really consider that part of the storyline though. Because they're too distracted by Jen emo-ping over Alex and Wes calling the wahmbulance about his not-so-proud papa.

Some may disagree, but I consider them the villains. I still adore Wes, though.

I hate Wes, but that's just me. n.n Actually, all the parties involved that season weren't actually good or evil. Time Force, I believe, were misguided for 'keeping the mutants in check'. Ransick was misguided in trying to conquer the world so mutants could be safe. He's very Magneato that way.

Frax was misguided into thinking he could overthrow the oppression of both the Time Force Rangers and Ransick and liberate his rob-bretheren. Unfortunately, he was destroyed.

So, yeah, poor Frax.

lol damn, and all this time I thought they were catching criminals.

Criminals are not always bad guys. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

King

08-11-2008, 04:52 AM

I'm sure they *called* all mutants criminals. But (and I'm going by my faulty memory here, so feel free to correct me if I'm remembering wrong), I remember at least one time they cryofroze a mutant who hadn't actually done anything. He may have befriended Lucas?

I haven't watched through the season in months, so I may be off.

But Ransik told his story to Wes in episode... three? Four? Something very early like that. And when Wes asked Jen if it was true, she didn't deny it.

A world where imperfections are bred out of children before they're born? Where anyone who's different is shunned and frozen? I'm willing to bet a lot of the mutants turned to crime because future society shunned them, keeping them from holding jobs or buying food and medicine or living in nice houses. It seems farfetched, but... that's exactly what Ransik's backstory is, so we know it happened.

Lucas's friend was a drag racer or something like that so thats why he got arrested.

The short version of Ransiks story was that everybody was born perfect with no disease and parents got to pick there kids characteristics. One day something went wrong and mutants were accidentally created. Society shunned them, they got pissed and became criminals, so time force catches them. Its not cause they're different its cause they're different and committing crimes for revenge on society.

Question

08-11-2008, 04:57 AM

Lucas's friend was a drag racer or something like that so thats why he got arrested.

I could swear there was another one...

Maybe I dreamt it. I'll internet research and see if I can find out what I'm talking about.

The short version of Ransiks story was that everybody was born perfect with no disease and parents got to pick there kids characteristics. One day something went wrong and mutants were accidentally created. Society shunned them, they got pissed and became criminals, so time force catches them. Its not cause they're different its cause they're different and committing crimes for revenge on society.

The part you missed in your own retelling is that they were shunned first. If you're shunned from society and have nowhere else to go because the Earth is an apocalyptic wasteland outside that one city, how do you survive? You steal food and medicine and water. They became criminals because they were shunned.

Although admittedly, some took it a bit far.

(That first sentence, about being born perfect with tailor-made characteristics? That scares the shit out of me. Seriously.)

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 04:57 AM

Um what about Ransik? He has a very similar personality to Ecliptor, but he also treats the villains (sometimes) like his family and actually helps them and has comraderee with them instead of just getting pissed like most villains. Also Frax had interesting characterization as well.

Ransick was a d*ck to Frax, only because Frax was a robot. He was also horrible to everyone who worked for him, other than Nadira. I barely understand that. His motivation made sense, but he displayed the same hatred he was objected to towards antoher character. I don't know if that was intentional or not. It wasn't made clear enough whether it was or wasn't, though, and that was always a problem I had with Time Force.

Conversely, Ecliptor's character traits were steadfast and unchanging. He stayed in character throughout.

Thus, for me, iS wins that little competition.

This has nothing to do with Eric being an asshole. He is justifiable because you can understand him. He is continually getting turned down for a job that he is clearly the most qualified for because his boss is a nepotist. He worked his way up from nothing unlike Wes who for most of his life had everything handed to him on a silver platter. You can understand why he feels the way he does.

Eric is continously turned down for that job, I think, mostly because he is an asshole, if I remember correctly. He was arrogant and a bastard from his first on-camera moment. Which is cool, I guess, if you like anti-heroes. I'm not very fond of them personally.

Nepotism definitely had something to do with it, but I'm sure Jerky McJerkface had a lot to do with that little issue too.

Again, his motives are understandable, but for me they are unsympathetic.

I'm sure they *called* all mutants criminals. But (and I'm going by my faulty memory here, so feel free to correct me if I'm remembering wrong), I remember at least one time they cryofroze a mutant who hadn't actually done anything. He may have befriended Lucas?

I haven't watched through the season in months, so I may be off.

But Ransik told his story to Wes in episode... three? Four? Something very early like that. And when Wes asked Jen if it was true, she didn't deny it.

A world where imperfections are bred out of children before they're born? Where anyone who's different is shunned and frozen? I'm willing to bet a lot of the mutants turned to crime because future society shunned them, keeping them from holding jobs or buying food and medicine or living in nice houses. It seems farfetched, but... that's exactly what Ransik's backstory is, so we know it happened.

Quoted for Righteous Truth.

Still, I can't be all in love with Ransick because he was an absolute douche to Frax. I'm guessing the robots and automatons have it even WORSE than the mutants in this horrible view of the year 3000. I still think that year was too lofty a choice for the series. SPD was 2025 and looked much more futuristic to me.

Question

08-11-2008, 05:01 AM

REric is continously turned down for that job, I think, mostly because he is an asshole, if I remember correctly. He was arrogant and a bastard from his first on-camera moment. Which is cool, I guess, if you like anti-heroes. I'm not very fond of them personally.

Nepotism definitely had something to do with it, but I'm sure Jerky McJerkface had a lot to do with that.

Again, his motives are understandable, but for me they are unsympathetic.

I don't think Wes was in line to lead the Silver Guardians before being a Ranger. Wasn't his dad only grooming him to run Biolab, and Eric was denied leadership of the SIlver Guardians because he was too young or something?

(I should stop saying things about things I don't remember.)

Quoted for Righteous Truth.

Still, I can't be all in love with Ransick because he was an absolute douche to Frax. I'm guessing the robots and automatons have it even WORSE than the mutants in this horrible view of the year 3000.

Oh, I'm not saying the mutants are entirely blameless. It's just... things would have turned out so differently for Time Force if future society had embraced their poor mutant brethren. It's a moral PRTF sadly missed.

Also, they should have thought to program Frax with Asimov's Three Laws. Jesus, Time Force. Read a book.

King

08-11-2008, 05:02 AM

I could swear there was another one...

Maybe I dreamt it. I'll internet research and see if I can find out what I'm talking about.

The part you missed in your own retelling is that they were shunned first. If you're shunned from society and have nowhere else to go because the Earth is an apocalyptic wasteland outside that one city, how do you survive? You steal food and medicine and water. They became criminals because they were shunned.

Although admittedly, some took it a bit far.

(That first sentence, about being born perfect with tailor-made characteristics? That scares the shit out of me. Seriously.)

Its true they were shunned but they weren't just stealing food, water, and medicine. They were committing serious crimes out of revenge. If you're a police force what are you suppose to do? Just let them get away with it because they were shunned? I'm sure some EMO kid is excited about the school year starting up so he can go shoot up the school full of kids who shunned him. Should the cops just let that little emo go because society treated him like shit?

Question

08-11-2008, 05:10 AM

Its true they were shunned but they weren't just stealing food, water, and medicine. They were committing serious crimes out of revenge. If you're a police force what are you suppose to do? Just let them get away with it because they were shunned? I'm sure some EMO kid is excited about the school year starting up so he can go shoot up the school full of kids who shunned him. Should the cops just let that little emo go because society treated him like shit?

If the child in your example were forced outside of his school by the people in charge and watched through the window as all the other kids got an education and a hot lunch and (allegedly) sleep with the hot substitute English teacher? He'd have every right to be angry.

No, I don't condone a lot of the things the mutants did. I'm not saying they were entirely blameless, only that it's future society's own fault the mutants turned out the way they did. How would PRTF have gone if the backstory was that future society had embraced the mutants despite their differences, taking care of them the same way any other citizen would and should be treated?

Th mutants had no choice but to commit crimes. I could speculate about how Time Force and the mutants were engaged in a constant game of escalation, which is why the mutants committed such daring crimes and why Time Force had a legion of giant robots, but I won't. The mutants were shunned, seperated from everything a person needs to survive, and they had no choice but to turn to crime. Yes, a few did more things for revenge (likely under Ransik's guidance), but they deserved better in the first place.

I mean, god, they turned Ransik human in the Wild Force teamup. That's... so offensive it's not even funny. The only way he could be truly good was to give up what makes him different? If you replaced 'mutant' with 'black' (and we're talking race anyway, so the analogy's not as far off as I know everyone's going to say it is), no one would have considered that a good way to end Ransik's story. To say the very least.

How sad is it that, as great as Time Force was, it was Mystic Force who got this moral right?

Zedd's the man

08-11-2008, 05:13 AM

Ransick was a d*ck to Frax, only because Frax was a robot. He was also horrible to everyone who worked for him, other than Nadira. I barely understand that. His motivation made sense, but he displayed the same hatred he was objected to towards antoher character. I don't know if that was intentional or not. It wasn't made clear enough whether it was or wasn't, though, and that was always a problem I had with Time Force.

Conversely, Ecliptor's character traits were steadfast and unchanging. He stayed in character throughout.

Thus, for me, iS wins that little competition.
In the earlier episodes of TF Ransik was fine to Frax. In Future Unknown he congradulates him. It was only once Frax started turning Traitor that Ransik started getting on his case. Towards the end of the series Ransik is getting increasingly desperate and it shows. He gets more agitatable and less sympathetic towards others.

Eric is continously turned down for that job, I think, mostly because he is an asshole, if I remember correctly. He was arrogant and a bastard from his first on-camera moment. Which is cool, I guess, if you like anti-heroes. I'm not very fond of them personally.

Nepotism definitely had something to do with it, but I'm sure Jerky McJerkface had a lot to do with that little issue too.

Again, his motives are understandable, but for me they are unsympathetic.
His first on camera moment has him being angry at Wes, who he hates because? Because His boss keeps wanting to make Wes the leader of the gaurdians and continually favors him over Eric even though A. Eric is more qualified and B. Eric actually wants the job. Also he plays Eric for a fool, he is constantly trying to goad Eric. First it was because Wes was a ranger that he was more qualified. Then Eric becomes a far more powerful ranger, and suddenly it's because Wes has Zords, and he tries to hire the rangers. It's only once he gets the Q-Rex that Mr. Collins finally realizes he has all the cards and makes Eric leader. Mr. Collins put Eric through hell to get a job that he clearly should have had from the start.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 05:15 AM

Question has basically owned the argument on why Time Force was NOT the exemplary season some make it out to be. I completely agree with him 100%.

Zedd's the man

08-11-2008, 05:18 AM

Question has basically owned the argument on why Time Force was NOT the exemplary season some make it out to be. I completely agree with him 100%.

Why? Because the rangers were not complete heroes but were rather morally amigous? That's what made the season so great, every side believed they were doing the right thing.

Question

08-11-2008, 05:22 AM

But... isn't that really true of any season? I'm sure every villain thinks they're doing the right thing. Bansheera and the demons come immediately to mind - they simply wanted to reclaim their ancestral home, and their morality was clearly separate from humanity's. Lothor wanted revenge for his banishment, although he would likely have called it justice.

The problem with Time Force (disclaimer: I enjoy Time Force, but I can examine it critically anyway) is that it set up this wonderful ambiguous moral dilemma, and then did absolutely nothing with it. Had the last third of Time Force been about the Rangers becoming sympathetic to (although pointedly not in full agreement with; there's a difference) Ransik's point of view, and them working to constructively change Future World's view of the lower class mutants, it could have had a perfect, moral-filled ending.

But the ambiguity was set up, and then... the kids in spandex won. And then talking zords gave some kids some crystals.

King

08-11-2008, 05:23 AM

If the child in your example were forced outside of his school by the people in charge and watched through the window as all the other kids got an education and a hot lunch and (allegedly) sleep with the hot substitute English teacher? He'd have every right to be angry.

No, I don't condone a lot of the things the mutants did. I'm not saying they were entirely blameless, only that it's future society's own fault the mutants turned out the way they did. How would PRTF have gone if the backstory was that future society had embraced the mutants despite their differences, taking care of them the same way any other citizen would and should be treated?

Th mutants had no choice but to commit crimes. I could speculate about how Time Force and the mutants were engaged in a constant game of escalation, which is why the mutants committed such daring crimes and why Time Force had a legion of giant robots, but I won't. The mutants were shunned, seperated from everything a person needs to survive, and they had no choice but to turn to crime. Yes, a few did more things for revenge (likely under Ransik's guidance), but they deserved better in the first place.

I mean, god, they turned Ransik human in the Wild Force teamup. That's... so offensive it's not even funny. The only way he could be truly good was to give up what makes him different? If you replaced 'mutant' with 'black' (and we're talking race anyway, so the analogy's not as far off as I know everyone's going to say it is), no one would have considered that a good way to end Ransik's story. To say the very least.

How sad is it that, as great as Time Force was, it was Mystic Force who got this moral right?

How is it Time Forces fault that society as a whole rejected them? As cops there job is to protect people and arrest the bad guys. When Ransik was shunned by society he "gathered every other retched creature and formed an army of criminals to terrorize the city". They did have a choice not to commit crimes. At the end of the episode "Ransik lives" Jen told Wes "don't let him fool you, people did try and help him but he turned them away". And even if people didn't try an help him, what is Time force to do when Ransik has an army trying to terrorize the city? Just stand there and watch because stopping them would make them bad guys?

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 05:23 AM

In the earlier episodes of TF Ransik was fine to Frax. In Future Unknown he congradulates him. It was only once Frax started turning Traitor that Ransik started getting on his case. Towards the end of the series Ransik is getting increasingly desperate and it shows. He gets more agitatable and less sympathetic towards others.

If I remember correctly, Frax only started to turn Traitor once Ransik started berating him. Otherwise, he would have had no motivation to do so and it wouldn't have made any sense. Either way, doesn't look good for TF in my book.

A little congradulation, a pat on the back do not a good, amicable relationship make. Ransik treated Frax like a slave and Frax rebelled until his ultimate destruction.

His first on camera moment has him being angry at Wes, who he hates because? Because His boss keeps wanting to make Wes the leader of the gaurdians and continually favors him over Eric even though A. Eric is more qualified and B. Eric actually wants the job. Also he plays Eric for a fool, he is constantly trying to goad Eric. First it was because Wes was a ranger that he was more qualified. Then Eric becomes a far more powerful ranger, and suddenly it's because Wes has Zords, and he tries to hire the rangers. It's only once he gets the Q-Rex that Mr. Collins finally realizes he has all the cards and makes Eric leader. Mr. Collins put Eric through hell to get a job that he clearly should have had from the start.

The fact that Eric hates Wes for something Wes can't help (and doesn't even want) cements the fact that Eric is a grade-A douche. Misplaced anger and jealosy? Yeah, not a good look. When he gets his morpher and the Q-Rex, he lords them over the Rangers (particularly Wes) and outright insults them, if memory serves. Not a good look for a Ranger.

Mr. Collins' douchery is unquestionable, yeah, but Eric answered back with matched assholery. Even when he finally got his dream job, he was still an untolerable d*ckhead. Either way, his motives and character are neither sympathetic or likeable. He is horrible, in my opinion.

Zedd's the man

08-11-2008, 05:30 AM

If I remember correctly, Frax only started to turn Traitor once Ransik started berating him. Otherwise, he would have had no motivation to do so and it wouldn't have made any sense. Either way, doesn't look good for TF in my book.

A little congradulation, a pat on the back do not a good, amicable relationship make. Ransik treated Frax like a slave and Frax rebelled until his ultimate destruction.
A pat on the back is far, far more than most villains in PR get. The main villains always treat their generals poorly, Ransik at least could recognize when they were doing a good job and motivate them.

The fact that Eric hates Wes for something Wes can't help (and doesn't even want) cements the fact that Eric is a grade-A douche. Misplaced anger and jealosy? Yeah, not a good look. When he gets his morpher and the Q-Rex, he lords them over the Rangers (particularly Wes) and outright insults them, if memory serves. Not a good look for a Ranger.

Mr. Collins' douchery is unquestionable, yeah, but Eric answered back with matched assholery. Even when he finally got his dream job, he was still an untolerable d*ckhead. Either way, his motives and character are neither sympathetic or likeable. He is horrible, in my opinion.
Yeah, Eric hates Wes because Mr. Collins is a f*cking nepotist who won't promote Eric no matter what he does! I'm sure he feels the same way towards Mr. Collins as he does towards Wes. Everyone plays Eric for a chump because he's the poor boy and they're the heads to a financial empire.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 05:34 AM

Why? Because the rangers were not complete heroes but were rather morally amigous? That's what made the season so great, every side believed they were doing the right thing.

I don't like moral ambiguity in my Rangers. Especially if it isn't adressed or expanded upon.

But... isn't that really true of any season? I'm sure every villain thinks they're doing the right thing. Bansheera and the demons come immediately to mind - they simply wanted to reclaim their ancestral home, and their morality was clearly separate from humanity's. Lothor wanted revenge for his banishment, although he would likely have called it justice.

More truth. I agree with this sentiment. Good and Evil are subjective...It would be an interesting topic if PR had writers good enough to tackle it.

The problem with Time Force (disclaimer: I enjoy Time Force, but I can examine it critically anyway) is that it set up this wonderful ambiguous moral dilemma, and then did absolutely nothing with it. Had the last third of Time Force been about the Rangers becoming sympathetic to (although pointedly not in full agreement with; there's a difference) Ransik's point of view, and them working to constructively change Future World's view of the lower class mutants, it could have had a perfect, moral-filled ending.

But the ambiguity was set up, and then... the kids in spandex won. And then talking zords gave some kids some crystals.

EXACTLY. You have pinpointed perhaps my biggest problem with Time Force, even more so than it taking itself too seriously and trying to hard to 'bring the drama'.

Had things gone differently and those plot elements were added to Time Force, I can honestly say I would probably love the season.

How is it Time Forces fault that society as a whole rejected them? As cops there job is to protect people and arrest the bad guys. When Ransik was shunned by society he "gathered every other retched creature and formed an army of criminals to terrorize the city". They did have a choice not to commit crimes. At the end of the episode "Ransik lives" Jen told Wes "don't let him fool you, people did try and help him but he turned them away". And even if people didn't try an help him, what is Time force to do when Ransik has an army trying to terrorize the city? Just stand there and watch because stopping them would make them bad guys?

It is Time Force's fault for perpetuating the oppression the society birthed. As police officers, they were expected to keep the mutants 'in their place'. They didn't object to it, they never questioned it. That makes them part of the problem.

Ransik's decision to terrorize the city was reached only after he was shunned, ridiculed, and turned into a vertiable pariah by EVERYONE. I can understand that, oddly enough. I don't agree with it, but I get it.

And I'm sure those people who tried to 'help him' only wanted to rid him of his mutation...not the constant physical pain he suffered, or the untold mental anguish he experienced from years of abuse at the hands of the Perfect Society.

And, yeah, Time Force should protect the city...but that still doesn't erase the wrongdoing that that future did. So Ransik makes more sense to me than the Rangers...

I'm not sure that was intentional.

Question

08-11-2008, 05:36 AM

How is it Time Forces fault that society as a whole rejected them? As cops there job is to protect people and arrest the bad guys. When Ransik was shunned by society he "gathered every other retched creature and formed an army of criminals to terrorize the city". They did have a choice not to commit crimes. At the end of the episode "Ransik lives" Jen told Wes "don't let him fool you, people did try and help him but he turned them away". And even if people didn't try an help him, what is Time force to do when Ransik has an army trying to terrorize the city? Just stand there and watch because stopping them would make them bad guys?

In the end, Jen's word can't really be trusted either, because she's one of the upper-class, "perfect" humans who shunned the mutants. How many times through the series did she show disdain and mistrust of not just criminals, but mutants in general? Jen was racist, so we can't take her word for anything.

Now, through this thread I've been very careful to say that I don't condone the mutants' terrorist activities, and you keep ignoring it. No, they shouldn't have terrorized the city. But... they didn't really have a choice, no. Ransik said, "Unfortunately, the future isn't very accepting of imperfection. I was shunned by everyone who saw me, and outcast."

He formed a gang to terrorize the city after he was shunned. It wasn't the very first thing he did.

Again, not saying that step was justified, but if society shuns you, the only way you can survive is by becoming a criminal. If there's another way I'm missing, please, point it out for me.

Once again, straight out, so there's no misunderstanding - I'm not saying that Time Force is wrong to stop the mutant criminals from terrorizing people. I'm saying future society wronged the mutants first by allowing them to be shunned, paving the way for the mutant criminals to commit further reprehensible acts.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-11-2008, 05:38 AM

A pat on the back is far, far more than most villains in PR get. The main villains always treat their generals poorly, Ransik at least could recognize when they were doing a good job and motivate them.

As with most PR villains, Ransik motivated with fear and deception. You'll never convince me of otherwise. If that's your opinion, you're entitled, but I strongly disagree.

Yeah, Eric hates Wes because Mr. Collins is a f*cking nepotist who won't promote Eric no matter what he does! I'm sure he feels the same way towards Mr. Collins as he does towards Wes. Everyone plays Eric for a chump because he's the poor boy and they're the heads to a financial empire.

Is there something you're not telling us, Eric?

That is a ridiculous reason to hate someone. The hate is misdirected. I never saw Eric being outwardly (or even inwardly) spiteful towards Mr. Collins, who probably more than deserved the hate. No, but he was horrible to Wes and the other Rangers. He's not respectable to me. The actor who played him is, but the character is dreadful.

Just my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Question

08-11-2008, 05:45 AM

Brief interlude:

Trip Takes a Stand (http://rangercentral.com/episodes/ep397/index.htm) (It's a link)

This is the friendly mutant episode I referred to earlier. Turns out, it was Trip and not Lucas. My apologies there.

This monster was frozen for an indeterminate amount of time for petty theft. He had to steal to eat because no one would feed him, according to the comments below, and he was arrested and frozen for it.

That's... racism, pure and simple. He was only trying to survive, and he gets incarcerated for doing what he had to? And it's not like he was mean while doing it; he willingly went back into cryofreeze just to help out the Time Force Rangers, the same organization that probably arrested him in the first place!

Notacon's my new favorite Time Force character. Plus, the pun in his name is delicious.

King

08-11-2008, 05:55 AM

In the end, Jen's word can't really be trusted either, because she's one of the upper-class, "perfect" humans who shunned the mutants. How many times through the series did she show disdain and mistrust of not just criminals, but mutants in general? Jen was racist, so we can't take her word for anything.

Now, through this thread I've been very careful to say that I don't condone the mutants' terrorist activities, and you keep ignoring it. No, they shouldn't have terrorized the city. But... they didn't really have a choice, no. Ransik said, "Unfortunately, the future isn't very accepting of imperfection. I was shunned by everyone who saw me, and outcast."

He formed a gang to terrorize the city after he was shunned. It wasn't the very first thing he did.

Again, not saying that step was justified, but if society shuns you, the only way you can survive is by becoming a criminal. If there's another way I'm missing, please, point it out for me.

Once again, straight out, so there's no misunderstanding - I'm not saying that Time Force is wrong to stop the mutant criminals from terrorizing people. I'm saying future society wronged the mutants first by allowing them to be shunned, paving the way for the mutant criminals to commit further reprehensible acts.

Jen wasn't racist. Eric was the only TF ranger that can be considered racist. In TF every mutant we saw them fight in the year 2001 was a criminal. It wasn't just every other mutant. Ransik had an army of already captured criminals that he was releasing one by one. They were like escaped criminals. The one mutant that didn't want to fight for Ransik was protected by the TF rangers from Eric.

Ransik was lying. He was not shunned by everyone who saw him because he was offered help and turned it down. I know you keep saying you don't condone him terroizing the city but you also say he didn't have a choice. Do you really think that his only choice after being shunned by society is gathering an army to take over everybody? Knowing full well that he was offered help and turned it down? You're right when you say he formed an army of mutants after being shunned but you also have to add that he did it after being offered help. Wouldn't you consider being offered help another choice?

Brief interlude:

Trip Takes a Stand (It's a link)

This is the friendly mutant episode I referred to earlier. Turns out, it was Trip and not Lucas. My apologies there.

This monster was frozen for an indeterminate amount of time for petty theft. He had to steal to eat because no one would feed him, according to the comments below, and he was arrested and frozen for it.

That's... racism, pure and simple. He was only trying to survive, and he gets incarcerated for doing what he had to? And it's not like he was mean while doing it; he willingly went back into cryofreeze just to help out the Time Force Rangers, the same organization that probably arrested him in the first place!

Notacon's my new favorite Time Force character. Plus, the pun in his name is delicious.

In Trip takes a stand it is not racism to arrest a thief. He wasn't arrested for who he is he was arrested for what he did.

Question

08-11-2008, 06:09 AM

Jen wasn't racist. Eric was the only TF ranger that can be considered racist. In TF every mutant we saw them fight in the year 2001 was a criminal. It wasn't just every other mutant. Ransik had an army of already captured criminals that he was releasing one by one. They were like escaped criminals. The one mutant that didn't want to fight for Ransik was protected by the TF rangers from Eric.

Eric was the only Ranger said straight out to be racist. You need to read between the lines for Jen. Of course they're not going to say that straight out, but look at how she acted through the entire series. Oh yes, she was a bit racist.

Ransik was lying. He was not shunned by everyone who saw him because he was offered help and turned it down. I know you keep saying you don't condone him terroizing the city but you also say he didn't have a choice. Do you really think that his only choice after being shunned by society is gathering an army to take over everybody?

Okay, you're still not listening to me.

I said they had no choice but to become criminals to survive; stealing food and medicine and such. I never once said they had no choice but to become terrorists. Terrorists are a Very Bad Thing.

Knowing full well that he was offered help and turned it down? You're right when you say he formed an army of mutants after being shunned but you also have to add that he did it after being offered help. Wouldn't you consider being offered help another choice?

The only source you have for that statement is what Jen said, but every single other source on the show has confirmed that it didn't happen. I refer you again to Notacon. He couldn't get food because of the way he looked, so he stole to survive and was incarcerated for it. Does being incarcerated in a maximum security prison seem like a reasonable punishment for stealing a bit of food so he could, y'know, not die? Moreso, do you honestly think he was the only one treated this way, even when every source we have other than Jen confirms that this sort of treatment was the norm?

Give me a source other than Jen for this. I've already pointed out why she can't be trusted in this case; give me anyone else, any reliable source, and I'll gladly concede the point.

In Trip takes a stand it is not racism to arrest a thief. He wasn't arrested for who he is he was arrested for what he did.

Seriously, does freezing someone and incarcerating them in a maximum security prison seem like a reasonable punishment for someone who only stole so he could eat? Was there any talk of leniency when he let the TF Rangers shoot him to defeat... something or other; I've closed the tab and forgot why.

King

08-11-2008, 06:22 AM

Eric was the only Ranger said straight out to be racist. You need to read between the lines for Jen. Of course they're not going to say that straight out, but look at how she acted through the entire series. Oh yes, she was a bit racist
There are no lines to read in between. If she was racist she would have been agreeing with Eric throughout Trip takes a stand.

Okay, you're still not listening to me.

I said they had no choice but to become criminals to survive; stealing food and medicine and such. I never once said they had no choice but to become terrorists. Terrorists are a Very Bad Thing.

I am listening to you. You said they shouldn't have terrorized the city and then you followed that with a "but" and added "they didn't really have a choice, no." And how is bringing up them stealing food relevant when thats not what most of them are doing. The only villain in TF we saw who was only stealing food was the villain the Time force rangers were trying to protect.

Now, through this thread I've been very careful to say that I don't condone the mutants' terrorist activities, and you keep ignoring it. No, they shouldn't have terrorized the city. But... they didn't really have a choice, no. Ransik said, "Unfortunately, the future isn't very accepting of imperfection. I was shunned by everyone who saw me, and outcast."

................

The only source you have for that statement is what Jen said, but every single other source on the show has confirmed that it didn't happen. I refer you again to Notacon. He couldn't get food because of the way he looked, so he stole to survive and was incarcerated for it. Does being incarcerated in a maximum security prison seem like a reasonable punishment for stealing a bit of food so he could, y'know, not die? Moreso, do you honestly think he was the only one treated this way, even when every source we have other than Jen confirms that this sort of treatment was the norm?

Give me a source other than Jen for this. I've already pointed out why she can't be trusted in this case; give me anyone else, any reliable source, and I'll gladly concede the point.

Every other source on the show about what really happened is the words of a bad guy. You're basically believing a terrorist villain over a power ranger because you think she is racist for capturing violent mutants. The only mutants she showed any extra hatred towards was the ones that tried to off her baby daddy Alex. Other then that, she showed no racism at all. And if she was really racist I doubt Trip would be on that team.

The mutant who stole was frozen and put away until his time was done. We don't know what they feel when they are frozen or how long he has to serve so we don't know if the punishment was extreme or not.

Question

08-11-2008, 06:30 AM

There are no lines to read in between. If she was racist she would have been agreeing with Eric throughout Trip takes a stand.

Again, you're expecting her to come out and admit it when she probably hasn;t even admitted it to herself. She's not going to come out and say "Hey, all mutants are evil and suck"; you need to infer it from her actions.

I am listening to you. You said they shouldn't have terrorized the city and then you followed that with a "but" and added "they didn't really have a choice, no." And how is bringing up them stealing food relevant when thats not what most of them are doing. The only villain in TF we saw who was only stealing food was the villain the Time force rangers were trying to protect.

That was my fault for changing topics mid-paragraph without a segue; my mistake. Sorry.

Every other source on the show about what really happened is the words of a bad guy. You're basically believing a terrorist villain over a power ranger because you think she is racist for capturing violent mutants. The only mutants she showed any extra hatred towards was the ones that tried to off her baby daddy Alex. Other then that, she showed no racism at all. And if she was really racist I doubt Trip would be on that team.

(Trip's not a mutant, boss.)

I'm taking the word of multiple sources of information, including a good mutant and flashbacks shown onscreen, over one sentence spoken by an officer who was very likely legally required to say said sentence. But yeah, I consider Jen's testimony unreliable at best.

The mutant who stole was frozen and put away until his time was done. We don't know what they feel when they are frozen or how long he has to serve so we don't know if the punishment was extreme or not.

Dude.

A maximum security prison. Frozen solid.

For petty theft.

Yeah, we can make a pretty good guess as to how unfairly severe that punishment is from those two facts alone.

King

08-11-2008, 06:37 AM

- No, i'm expecting her to not admit to something that she isn't. She goes out and catches mutants who are criminals. That doesn't make her racist.

- What good mutant said that Ransik wasn't offered help? Basically you think Jen lied to Wes about Ransik being offered help. When the writers wrote that they put it down that Jen is a racist and to keep Wes in line she lies to him about Ransik being offered help when in reality he was never offered help at all.

- He was frozen solid and put in the rangers clock tower. In the year 3000 he was frozen and we don't know where he was put. And again, we don't even know what its like to be frozen like those villains were so you can't say whether or not it was to harsh.

Question

08-11-2008, 06:41 AM

- No, i'm expecting her to not admit to something that she isn't. She goes out and catches mutants who are criminals. That doesn't make her racist.

No, but lots of other things she does, wayts she acts, sure make it seem that way.

- What good mutant said that Ransik wasn't offered help? Basically you think Jen lied to Wes about Ransik being offered help. When the writers wrote that they put it down that Jen is a racist and to keep Wes in line she lies to him about Ransik being offered help when in reality he was never offered help at all.

Lied or was simply misinformed/wrong. Just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true.

But when we have dozens of people saying one thing, and one person disagreeing, who is it logical to believe?

- He was frozen solid and put in the rangers clock tower. In the year 3000 he was frozen and we don't know where he was put. And again, we don't even know what its like to be frozen like those villains were so you can't say whether or not it was to harsh.

No, we know for an absolute fact that he was frozen in the year 3000 and put into a maximum security prison. That was Ransik's source for mutants throughout the entire series; if Notacon weren't in a maximum security prison, he wouldn't have been in the past at all.

And considering the main method of freezing villains in PRTF was blasting them with giant honkin' lasers or slashing them with building-sized swords, I think we can infer the process isn't a happy fun one.

King

08-11-2008, 06:52 AM

- Okay, can you be more specific. What does she do or say that makes you think she is racist?

- Who are these dozens of people saying Ransik was never offered help? So what, did the writers put that line in there with the intention of Jen being wrong and misinformed?

- Don't you think Maximum security when your frozen is a little different from when you're unfrozen? It doesn't matter where he is. I could put him in a pent house sweet while frozen and it wouldn't be any more or less harsh then maximum security because he's frozen and won't know the difference.

Slashing criminals isn't the only way to freeze criminals. We see in the first TF episode a villain being put in a thing that shrunk him into the little action figure form they are put in before frozen.

Pinkranger

08-11-2008, 03:41 PM

It's Time Force, and I think we all know I love that season, and you all you space fans know deep inside it was miles better and mature and you know it, wheather you want to say it or not hahahaha :p

tsda

08-11-2008, 03:42 PM

iS, without a doubt! The best season that exists (although I prefer if the podium was occupied by the recent seasons - it would mean that PR was getting better and better).

Asgard Ranger

08-11-2008, 03:45 PM

I have to say In Space, but Time Force is one of my favourites aswell.

Rebelde

08-11-2008, 03:59 PM

Seriously, does freezing someone and incarcerating them in a maximum security prison seem like a reasonable punishment for someone who only stole so he could eat? Was there any talk of leniency when he let the TF Rangers shoot him to defeat... something or other; I've closed the tab and forgot why.

What if that was the only kind of prison they had in the year 3000....

tsda

08-11-2008, 04:18 PM

Quoting Pinky from another thread:

I think we have a clear winning here :D

:p :D

Pinkranger

08-11-2008, 04:35 PM

Quoting Pinky from another thread:

:p :D

Dude why are you mixing my words!!! lol that was about a female red lol

Time Force owns ! In Space was nothing compared to those brillant time force rangers.

firehawk

08-11-2008, 06:31 PM

Gotta go with In Space.

Skeleman

08-11-2008, 07:28 PM

Dude why are you mixing my words!!! lol that was about a female red lol

Time Force owns ! In Space was nothing compared to those brillant time force rangers.

If they're so brilliant why did they only win when Ransik gave up?:D

Rebelde

08-11-2008, 08:31 PM

If they're so brilliant why did they only win when Ransik gave up?:D

Would the rangers in space win if Andros didn't kill Zordon? :D

Red Lightspeed Ranger

08-11-2008, 08:58 PM

I agree with your description. If I were you, I would also say the samething.;)

Power Rangers in Space was better. Better rangers, better villains, better story, and way more epic.

tsda

08-11-2008, 09:36 PM

Would the rangers in space win if Andros didn't kill Zordon? :D

Nope, but don't forget that they were fighting all the previous enemies, and not only the main villain of the season. In the end, they fought against stronger army than the TF rangers, composed of both Piranhatrons and Quantrons (and both these enemies weren't so simple to dismantle like the Cyclobots). ;) If you think of it, Andros indeed defeated the main villain (although he was holding back since she was his sister), while the TF rangers didn't. :D

Only a question: why are we all using this smilie? XD

Rebelde

08-11-2008, 09:45 PM

Nope, but don't forget that they were fighting all the previous enemies, and not only the main villain of the season. In the end, they fought against stronger army than the TF rangers composed of both Piranhatrons and Quantrons (and both these enemies weren't so simple to dismantle like the Cyclobots). ;) If you think of it, Andros indeed defeated the main villain (although he was holding back since she was his sister), while the TF rangers didn't. :D

Only a question: why are we all using this smilie? XD

Because Ransik was strong :D :D

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-12-2008, 02:49 AM

Ransik overpowered the battlizer, he was mad strong indeed....

Zedd's the man

08-12-2008, 04:31 AM

Indeed he was. He was probably one of the top five most dominating villains in combat.

DigiRanger

08-12-2008, 06:53 AM

Gotta go with In Space. It was my favorite season while airing, and remained #1 (for me) to this day and will most likely stay there for the rest of time.

ForeverBlue

08-12-2008, 12:41 PM

PRiS all the way!

it was the best season ever. Everything was awesome.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-12-2008, 01:29 PM

It's funny how PRG always shows PRiS when it was still airing, TF gets no love at all. Oh well, I'm sticking with TF. No Zordon, No problem....

ThisSpaceForRent

08-12-2008, 04:44 PM

It's funny how PRG always shows PRiS when it was still airing, TF gets no love at all. Oh well, I'm sticking with TF. No Zordon, No problem....

In my opinion, there's areason for that. PRiS is EPIC, yo. TF, to me, just doesn't cut it.

Also, someone needs to spring to buy them all new clothes. I still don't know who told Jen that pukey green and magenta go together.

pinkranger2000

08-12-2008, 09:34 PM

I voted for Time Force, because I DO remember the first half of IS SUCKING. Space got good after Andres discovered who Astronema really was, before that it was terrible. TF wasn't exactly perfect, but at least it was consistently good throughout the whole season.

Oh, and pukey green? When did Jen wear pukey green?!

ThisSpaceForRent

08-12-2008, 09:43 PM

That ugly ass leather jacket. The same ugly green color was in the plaid of her skirt, too.

tsda

08-13-2008, 12:15 AM

It's funny how PRG always shows PRiS when it was still airing, TF gets no love at all. Oh well, I'm sticking with TF. No Zordon, No problem....

Here in Brazil they showed TF in PRG every afternoon last year. It was a nightmare! :p :D

Rebelde

08-13-2008, 12:17 AM

Here in Brazil they showed TF in PRG every afternoon last year. It was a nightmare! :p :D

No one FORCED you to watch it :p :D

tsda

08-13-2008, 12:26 AM

No one FORCED you to watch it :p :D

Lol, I didn't! XD But I was waiting them to change it for another PR series, but they didn't. ¬¬ It was a shame... :(

Rebelde

08-13-2008, 12:29 AM

Lol, I didn't! XD But I was waiting them to change it for another PR series, but they didn't. ¬¬ It was a shame... :(

More like a dream come true :D

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-13-2008, 03:17 AM

Here in Brazil they showed TF in PRG every afternoon last year. It was a nightmare! :p :D

This is exactly what I was talking about. If i say something like "the solar morphers are awesome" it would be all good. I'm not dogging PRiS and all I hear is flack on TF. Such bias here, new board, same BS

tsda

08-13-2008, 04:19 AM

This is exactly what I was talking about. If i say something like "the solar morphers are awesome" it would be all good. I'm not dogging PRiS and all I hear is flack on TF. Such bias here, new board, same BS
¬¬

Dude, did you see the smilies (:p :D)? I was joking (although I really don't like TF that much). Even Stian (who is like the number one fan of TF around here (you only need to see his posts and/or threads to know it)) understood that.

BTW, if you want to "flack" on iS, be my guest. If that makes you happier... ;)

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-13-2008, 04:27 AM

¬¬

Dude, did you see the smilies (:p :D)? I was joking (although I really don't like TF that much). Even Stian (who is like the number one fan of TF around here (you only need to watch his posts and/or threads to know it)) understood that.

BTW, if you want to "flack" on iS, be my guest. If that makes you more happier... ;)

Just cause I like TF better doesn't mean I hate iS, so no, I won't

Pinkranger

08-15-2008, 09:00 PM

Here in Brazil they showed TF in PRG every afternoon last year. It was a nightmare! :p :D

That sounds great :D Over here we have an hour of time force every afternoon....but I'm at work most of the time so don't see it.....untill later when its repeated again lol.

Come on tsda I know there's a time force fan inside you :p

ThisSpaceForRent

08-15-2008, 09:33 PM

I'm STILL not feeling Time Force, y'all.

They need to bring back PRG so I can judge them fairly as they'd both be fresh in my mind.

I say that because I don't have the capabilities to be downloadin' episodes all the time. Put that ~ish back on television, yo. If you aren't going to put them on DVDs, it's only fair. I mean, it's not like anyone really gives a crap about Ying Yang NO and all the other rehashed crap they're airing on Jetix right now. Flip the script and let's take it back.

RyanRXP

08-15-2008, 09:38 PM

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-15-2008, 11:02 PM

Just watched ep. 21 of TF, Lovestruck Rangers. Jen was so jealous. Wes went in for the kiss only to be interrupted by the phone. I'm gonna watch The End of Time a little later

ForeverBlue

08-15-2008, 11:05 PM

If you can use YouTube:
http://www.rangertalk.com/showthread.php?t=92

They are only short video clips not full episodes. I thought they were before.

RyanRXP

08-15-2008, 11:15 PM

They are only short video clips not full episodes. I thought they were before.

They are full episodes, I use them all the time to watch episodes.

pinkranger2000

08-16-2008, 02:31 AM

That ugly ass leather jacket. The same ugly green color was in the plaid of her skirt, too.

uhmmm that jacket was brown (although it WAS ugly). And the plaid of her skirt was pink, black and yellow. You need your eyes checked. LOL

Morgana4ever

08-16-2008, 02:42 AM

wow this is no comparison at all. srsly Space wins easily.

ThisSpaceForRent

08-16-2008, 05:11 AM

uhmmm that jacket was brown (although it WAS ugly). And the plaid of her skirt was pink, black and yellow. You need your eyes checked. LOL

As a self-proclaimed fashionista, darling, I beg to differ. I have a very accute discerning eye when it comes to fashion. Especially bad fashion.

I hated Jen's outfit. Those bangs, that terrible ponytail, that olive-green pukebarf jacket, that hideous magenta blouse, that god-awful skirt, the stupid "modesty spanks" she wore so when she fought you couldn't see all her goodies... Everything about her costume was TERRIBLE. Oh, and the character was awful too.

ETA: I should state that that disgusting green DOES sometimes look like a really bad brown...but it isn't. Trust.

ETA2: I never, NEVER forget bad fashion.

http://www.rangercentral.com/episodes/ep386/eppic22.jpg

Unforgivably heinous crime against style.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-16-2008, 12:31 PM

Just watched, The End Of Time. I missed this so much. I like battling back from disasters endings like this and even PRis's. SPD's Endings series reminds of TF in a way

BTW, to me, it was something about Erin Cahil's figure that made the outfit sooo worthwhile(the short skirt, maybe? LOL). I didn't complain since they were from the future and were making just enough to eat and survive while spending most of the time being rangers.

SilverNinjaRanger

08-16-2008, 12:43 PM

Time Force is my favorite season, so Time Force.

pinkranger2000

08-16-2008, 12:54 PM

As a self-proclaimed fashionista, darling, I beg to differ. I have a very accute discerning eye when it comes to fashion. Especially bad fashion.

I hated Jen's outfit. Those bangs, that terrible ponytail, that olive-green pukebarf jacket, that hideous magenta blouse, that god-awful skirt, the stupid "modesty spanks" she wore so when she fought you couldn't see all her goodies... Everything about her costume was TERRIBLE. Oh, and the character was awful too.

ETA: I should state that that disgusting green DOES sometimes look like a really bad brown...but it isn't. Trust.

ETA2: I never, NEVER forget bad fashion.

http://www.rangercentral.com/episodes/ep386/eppic22.jpg

Unforgivably heinous crime against style.

You are a self-proclaimed fashionista? that is so cool. I'm a graduated Fashion Designer.
The jacket was brown. The outfit WAS awful, I give you that, all the TF wardrobe SUCKED, but the jacket was brown.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-16-2008, 01:00 PM

is this PR or Project Runway? LOL

Adam was so kick-ass in Always a Chance, he did not hold back on Carlos in training. He'd make a great mentor

Amo0o

08-16-2008, 02:55 PM

Space ******

animeaddict44

08-16-2008, 04:40 PM

i voted space. it brought back old faces like the Alien Rangers, Rita, Machine Empire, etc

ThisSpaceForRent

08-16-2008, 05:57 PM

You are a self-proclaimed fashionista? that is so cool. I'm a graduated Fashion Designer.
The jacket was brown. The outfit WAS awful, I give you that, all the TF wardrobe SUCKED, but the jacket was brown.

I call shenanigans. Pics or it didn't happen... If you've matriculated, surely you have something you can show.

Good to see that you at least have some style though. I think it's agreed all around that that outfit was wretched.

And TF was so...boring. It just was. Boring and hokey. No thank you. Space all day, every day.

BlueVoltronRanger

08-16-2008, 07:04 PM

Space for me :)

Legendary.

08-16-2008, 07:20 PM

TF wasn't boring to me. TF had something about it that made me keep watching and watching every week...

Jen's skirt.

Jen's appeal to me was that it factor for the season. I could care less what happened to (really happened to) Alex, I could careless what happened to Katie and Trip that day they discovered weed...(I wish they did). I was really drawn in by Jen. She was such an awesome character and seeing her unravel on screen with Wes was something different for me. Something I didn't pay attention too since Andros and Astronema.

For that I vote Time Force over in Space.

Space was too..eh. Get to the point already for me. Considering it picked up after Turbo.

Green Space Ranger

08-16-2008, 08:05 PM

I definetly think Space was better.

but not by much

Jiemusu

08-16-2008, 08:09 PM

I never saw the hype with Time Force personally, it was ok... but not that good.

I prefer Space.

RyanRXP

08-16-2008, 08:30 PM

I veiw Space as the best season, with Time Force not far behind.
1.Space
2.MMPR season 1
3.MMPR season 3
4.MMPR season 2
5.Time Force

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-17-2008, 03:17 AM

TyrannoRanger

08-18-2008, 07:07 PM

Power Rangers in Space. Cuz why? Cuz Andros has a kickass weapon called "Spiral Saber"!

Finish Him!

(Andros uses Spiral Saber to drill through Wes's chest)

Andros wins. Fatality.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-18-2008, 07:29 PM

Power Rangers in Space. Cuz why? Cuz Andros has a kickass weapon called "Spiral Saber"!

Finish Him!

(Andros uses Spiral Saber to drill through Wes's chest)

Andros wins. Fatality.

And rock-hard glutes in the battlizer mode-that was soooo wrong

ThisSpaceForRent

08-18-2008, 08:12 PM

Since it was the first Battlizer, I can forgive that li'l faux pas.

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-18-2008, 08:35 PM

I only look back now and say WTF? back then I was "a new power, cool"

Jiemusu

08-18-2008, 08:37 PM

Power Rangers in Space. Cuz why? Cuz Andros has a kickass weapon called "Spiral Saber"!

Finish Him!

(Andros uses Spiral Saber to drill through Wes's chest)

Andros wins. Fatality.

OMG Mortal Kombat and Power Ranger teamup.

I WANT.

pinkranger2000

08-20-2008, 03:16 AM

I thought the TF and SPD fans were crazy, but you IS lot give them a run for their money!! LOL. (j/k)

RyanRXP

08-20-2008, 06:07 AM

Is this thread still going on? It is clear which season was more popular. As good as Time Force is, it is going to be very hard to catch up to Space. I feel Space is better, but I feel that Time Force is not that far behind. The thing that really amazed me is that this quickly became a "this is great and the other sucked" thread. I thought these to sasons were both great. But this is comming from some guy who still doesn't get the love for SPD(don't respond to that, it is far off topic). I feel that every one has gotten this mindset that if a person is not defending a season they liked, they must hate it. Why? This thread has a lot of good points, for both seasons, but you have to look for them through the this sucks, that sucks talk. Once again why? Is it that hard to say what you enjoyed without saying somthing sucked?

Jyukai Rahziel Azu

08-20-2008, 08:15 AM

RyanRXP

08-20-2008, 08:34 AM

"what I like is better than yours" is the nature of this board, it's like high school kids trying to fit in with the most poular clique. I expressed I like both, but TF more, but in return, you hear "I hate TF because of the clothes" or something like that. This board doesn't speak for the majority elsewhere, so I'm not even beat for the nonsense

I didn't say "what I like is better than yours" I said "This is what I like, and everything else sucks" I was talking about people acting like, just because some one likes space better, they must think that time forced sucked, and the other way around. I was wondering why people can't just defend what they like without insulting what others like better, or just saying it sucked.

If I explained it badly, it is my fault. I hope this better explains what I said.